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Hayden Congregational UCC

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We aim to really get to know our clients and what matters to them and see them as more than people who have committed crimes. No one here glosses over the fact that they're behind bars for serious crimes and may not ever step foot beyond the prison gates. But many see the powwow as a way to hold on to tradition and find worth, says inmate Nestor Diaz Miller with a cow creek band of umpqua. I've dealt with suicidal thoughts and actions in my past and being able to focus on this Nipi on this sweat lodge and that drum literally saved my life. It's giving me something to believe in, something to hope in. I'm Brian Bull at the Oregon State Correctional Institution in Salem. The Senate Committee on Indian Affairs is advancing several bills aimed at settling tribal water rights and funding water infrastructure across the West. During a legislative hearing last week, senators considered measures affecting the Yavapai Apache Nation of Arizona, the the Agua-Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians and the Pachanga Band of Lewis-senio Indians in California, along with legislation to strengthen the federal Indian Water Rights Settlement completion fund. Supporters say the bills would help fulfill the federal government's trust responsibilities while providing greater certainty for tribal nations and neighboring communities. The measures now await further action by the Committee and Congress. Congress. I'm Jill Freides. You're listening to the cable evening news. This is a volunteer-produced newscast and we encourage your participation. Call or text us with your breaking news stories and tips at 971-801-1378. Our production team, Fortnite's newscast, includes Toby Douglas, Isabelle Charley, Suzanne Potter, and Elphia Billings. is impacting our community." You're listening to the KBU News in Death, I'm Toby Douglas. What kind of society do we really want to live in? Some thinkers and some commenters believe that that's a question definitely worth pursuing. An anarchist activist Hank Pulessier is one of them. He recently hosted a creating utopia design, an ideal society war shop in Oakland, in which he asked the question, if you could redesign the world, what would you build? I think some people would say in times like this, we just want to return to normal. We don't even want to think about utopia. We don't want to think about an ideal society. So what do you say to that? I mean, how could you be even thinking of this when we seem to be in such chaos? Yes. Yeah, that's funny. We were just talking about Brett from Daughter about people who just go, I just wish we had the Obamas back. Yeah. And I mean, I'm teaching this because I think people need to think really clearly about what kind of world they want to live in. And I think that most people don't. They're just sort of reactive and go, oh, I don't like this. I don't like this. But they need to think about exactly the ideal world that they want to live in. And then, you know, make whatever steps they can to try to get that world. So, how many times have you done this before, is this like a kind of lifelong project for you? No. I mean, yes and no. I've always been called a utopianist. I was even like the kid in high school that was always going, wouldn't it be great if we had a world that, you know, and then I was at a, I was a managing director for a think tank for a while and I got classified as the utopianist. But in terms of this particular class, I taught it briefly at a thing called a bioregional unconference, and I'm a teacher for what's called locally the Bay Anarchist Free School. So this is what I'm going to teach next there. And it seems like I'm also a guy named Raines, maybe you know him with Berkeley Housing Co-op. He's interested in perhaps me teaching there. And also there's a new store in Piedmont called Goodness and he's interested in me teaching there I'll probably teach this five or six or seven times. So would this be something that is very Locally geared that you're coming up with something that could work on a small scale and then maybe hoping it could expand and you want an urban design, you want the right architecture, you want to design an economic system and a political system, is this something that would be strictly on the local level or much more than that? Well, I think this is going to be a really easy class to teach, kind of to talk as little as possible. I'm just going to take a lot of crayons and colored pencils in paper and ask everybody to sketch out blocks like a block where 100 people could live and sketch out their ideal blocks like where they would like to live. And then after they do that, I'm going to have them all kind of put their blocks together and maybe create new blocks for whatever is not included. And so I just want people to think about, you know, a block they'd like to live on, live in, and a village they would like to live in. And this is really easy. It could be taught to six-year-olds and it could be taught anywhere in the world. Very easy class to teach. Do you think that some of what you're teaching or going to be teaching is already being done in small ways around here and elsewhere you know for example the core magazine people with their setting up of a place to live for homeless homeless people, or unhoused people, or, you know, the way that people organize their co-ops and collectives, do you think there's a similarity there? I'm not familiar with that group, but what you said makes sense to me, because I already teach it once at the bi-regional unconference, and one of the people in the group said all she wanted was a block that had trees on it and tents, and that's all she wanted, because I, you know, there's a huge interest in making sure everybody gets housed, but I'm not familiar with what poor magazine is doing. You know, I cannot pretend that my idea is new, nobody else is doing it, but I'm not familiar with what poor magazine is doing. What do you anticipate, I guess it's hard for you to anticipate what other people will come up with, but if it was just you and your utopian society, what would healthcare look like? What would education look like? Yeah, well, we already did this once and there were only five people there and everybody had wildly different ideas because everybody is different and they want to live on a block that provides them with what they need. One guy wants a lot of quiet, so he had a block where there were all these private spaces where he could go and be quiet and another person wants a lot of art and a lot of music and places, things like that. I am personally what you would call like a bioregionalist. So I would like to live in a village that has lots of trees and wildlife corridors and trails going through these wildlife corridors. And if it was the East Bay, I would like all the streams to be daylight. And I would like to see the salmon returning up the streams. I think that would be beautiful. and I'd like to see you know beavers come back. I'm a big, I'm a, my main, the main people I read that I like are Peter Kropotkin and a French geographer named Ellis C. Reclu and Murray Bookchin. So I kind of like this sort of organic, nature-based, municipalist kind of government structure. And do you see this as something that could exist regardless of who's in power nationally or even a state level? I mean I know I'm an idealist and a utopianist and I'm completely unrealistic. That's just what I am. I think there's value in having some people like me around talking about what isn't practical but what is ideal. But I do think that there's things that can happen on a local level. There's all kinds of groups now that are doing things like say, Saucel Creek daylighting and things like this and so I think local groups can work. I'm a big advocate for like town hall meetings. I put on one Berkeley town hall meeting, but I think if, I think if, you know, if people got organized in their local communities, they can do all kinds of things. They can, they have done all kinds of things in Berkeley, whatever, put up, you know, block parties and barricades and, and just transform their, their own neighborhood, I think. What do you think of co-housing? Is that an idea that would fit into your mindset? Yeah, co-housing is something that's really great. I'm, I'm what you- Although it does take away rental units, possibly. Wow, I hadn't thought of that. I'm a person who, who was called Bread Pilled because I read Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin and I thought it was just the most beautiful, I had the most beautiful ideas in it. Like one thing he critiqued was the fact that our urban areas all have separate, you know, family houses with separate refrigerators and separate kitchens and separate dining rooms. And so I thought it was really wonderful to imagine living someplace where there's like a communal dining area. And I've put on a couple of community dinners because we're pockets always saying that's where you have to start. You have to get people to like eat together. And I like this idea of changing the housing unit so that there isn't everybody like cooking and eating separately all the time, but we're doing that together. I guess the co-housing people would say, yeah, you have the choice. You could eat communally or privately. So, yeah, speaking of all the different types of anarchism, I guess you're familiar with them all. You know, everything from anarcho-syndicalism to libertarian anarchism, and do you have a particular niche that you would fall into? Yeah, well, I like a kropotkin and recluse, so that makes me sort of a, and Murray Bookshan, so that sort of makes me an anarcho-communalist. I think is what I would be. I mean, I'm I'm pro-democracy and I think people have a really negative I'm a peaceful anarchist. I'm not a guy who wants to Assassinate that's not on the top of my list of things to do. So I'm a peaceful anarchist, but I'm very into democracy So I like the idea of people having a lot of control I don't know if you're you're probably familiar with Rojava in Northeast Syria, which is a municipalist Murray books and inspired kind of government so I'm I'm pretty much in favor of that hope they survive yeah pardon me I hope they survive I know I know enemies everywhere yeah it's interesting you ask that question because I'm going to London and Bulgaria next week I have another thing I do which is called the anarchist history quiz contest and I just asked people a lot of questions about anarchism and see who gets the answers right and then they get they get an anarchist t-shirt if they get it right. So yes, there's, I think, something like, between 20 and 30 different kinds of anarchism, and they really range wildly. Because I'm a utopianist, I'm a person who likes the notion of gift economy, moneyless society, and I like Croapacans' idea that from each according to their ability, to each according to their need, so I would be a person like a... Which is also a Marxist thing. Yes, yes. So, I'd be a person who would take Elon Musk's money away, and I distributed and nobody would be hungry, etc., etc. Seems like there's no need for that. Oh, yes, yes. So, of course, you still have to deal with people who just think anarchy. That's just chaos. It's a real problem. I know the marketing on it being an anarchist is really bad. Yeah, you have to rebrand yourself. Oh, it's almost dangerous at this point. They keep the media keeps calling these guys in Texas that the people in Texas busted for Antifa. They just call them anarchist a lot of times. And this is really, or worst yet, Neelist. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, there isn't there isn't a narco Neelist flag in community. And I respect those people, but I'm not one of them, and I'm very much a pacifist in the sort of Dorothy Day Leo Tolstoy kind of way. And there are anarchists who believe that violence is essentially anti-anarchist, because violence is an exertion of power and control, and they just, you know, I'm more like a vegan anarchist, really, who really doesn't want to hurt anybody. But I understand anarchists who don't vote either, because it's a discouraging system. That was writer, activist, and political theorist Hank Palecier speaking with Kabuk contributor David Rosenberg. This is the Kabuk News in Daphne, I'm Toby Douglas, stay tuned, my global citizen's international digest is next.

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